Cure Tinnitus Show Episode #15 was recorded Monday January 11, 2:00PM GMT (London Time). Thank you for your questions, participation, and for your kind feedback.
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I do have a potential question or two for the next one:
1. Julian (or “Jules” 🙂 ) often talks about a personality type (“driven, focused, successful”) that he encounters in his practice and mentions that it is very typical for tinnitus sufferers. What about those who are not driven or focused, who lack motivation and have not been particularly successful in terms of their careers, who still suffer from tinnitus?
2. Julian often refers to “body work”. Is he mainly referring to cranio sacral therapy or is he including yoga, pilates, etc.?
I just wanted to thank you for another good discussion and know that it means so much to know you and Julian are there.
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The 14th Cure Tinnitus Show took place on Monday, Nov 23d, 2009 at 2PM GMT (London Time). Your questions, comments, input, and suggestions for topics helped guide us to a settling and helpful show. Thank you!
Julian and Dainis
Discussion included: Sometimes, you hear of a person who has some sort of break-through moment, and the tinnitus vanishes as quickly as it came. It is hard not to seek such a “moment.” However, from reading Julian’s book, it strikes me, that this is frequently not how things happen (in fact, I remember him saying that often while one is processing his or her issues that the tinnitus might even get or seem worse as we confront ourselves, even in our “negative” aspects. And I wonder if there can be some danger …
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Discussion included: Dainis, during your own recovery, did you have periods of time when your tinnitus “flared” for a few days? I thought mine was under control and them BAM. I figure it has to do with some stress and perhaps fall allergies, but it’s a real bummer handling it. I am trying to ignore it and follow Julian’s advice not to dwell on it, but when it comes back it’s so depressing…
Dainis, during your own recovery, did you have periods of time when your tinnitus “flared” for a few days? I thought mine was under control and them BAM. I figure it has to do with some stress and perhaps fall allergies, but it’s a real bummer handling it. I am trying to ignore it and follow Julian’s advice not to dwell on it, but when it comes back it’s so depressing.
—D’s response: Well, I learned “BioMental Training” from Dr. Hans Greuel in Germany. So, basically, I never really had “flares” until I heard about them. If the tinnitus ever bothered me, I just did my self-hypnosis techniques (BioMental Training), and when I discovered that I could reduce my tinnitus significantly (often to near nothing) every time, I just stopped worrying about it. I do not consider myself 100% “cured,” in that I do not “hear total silence” when I listen in to my tinnitus. I am far enough along to say that I’ve entered into two types of nice “spaces.” 1) Living my life such that tinnitus is not in my consciousness, whether it would be there if I were to check or not 2) Looking back at particularly peaceful moments, when I have totally forgotten about whether I could check for tinnitus or not, I suspect that it would not have been there, or I really would have needed to “try hard” to hear it.
What are some ways tohandle the feeling of “defeat” when your tinnitus has been relativelyquiescent and suddenly you become aware of it again, perhaps loudly and you can’t quite pinpoint why. Coping mechanisms?(more…)
Discussion included: Julian always talks about “settling” and “focusing” and in general, relaxing so that the tinnitus can abate. What does one do if they are CONSTANTLY being stressed out by life events? …
Julian always talks about “settling” and “focusing” and in general, relaxing so that the tinnitus can abate. What does one do if they are CONSTANTLY being stressed out by life events?
Perhaps some of us don’t cope well with life stress? We all have stressors. But, for example, what if you are someone who frets and worries all the time and things keep “happening” such as job loss, depression, worry about family issues that keep cropping up, wishing for things to be more “normal” but finding that either your grown kids or your grandkids continue to have problems as they move through life, or your husband, who is self-employed, doesn’t have enough business and your finances are in trouble…..what then?
Should a person be able to COPE with all of the above, and STILL relax enough for the tinnitus to “let go”? How does one do this? How does one stop worrying?
When things keep happening, one crisis or mini-crisis into another, how does one keep afloat? How do people cope? How can you help yourself relax and “cure” tinnitus when life keeps throwing bricks at you? Albeit, as one of my physicians once said, “if no one is on chemo then everything is good”.
So the real baseline question is: as one goes through life and faces crises and mini-crises that many people face, are the differences in coping style and ability a main factor in the development and continuance of things like tinnitus? How does one RELAX in the face of life’s disappointments and fears?
I would love to try to participate live in the CTS, but I will be working. I’ll definitely catch it on the recording though.
I am currently experiencing a bit of curious resurgence of the T. I think part of it might be physical, and part emotional. Here’s a question for Ian that captures part of what I think might be happening.
As one is working through emotional issues in one’s life, I am wondering: 1) if periods of the worsening of tinnitus can be expected and 2) how one should deal with such periods of a spike in tinnitus? For example, if you are working through a phobia in therapy, while your tendency might always be to avoid whatever is causing you fear, you might have to go through a period where you are confronting that object of fear, which no doubt will cause a temporary increase in anxiety and therefore possibly in the tinnitus. For someone with tinnitus, this of course adds another level of fear and anxiety: confronting “x” or “y” will, in and of itself, cause anxiety, but it may also cause my tinnitus to flare, which is a cause for even more anxiety! Nevertheless, certain issues must be confronted, I presume, even if the tinnitus may spike. So, how does one minimize the impact upon tinnitus and keep from falling into a vicious cycle of anxiety?
Overall, I’m doing pretty well and think I’m moving in the right direction. Progress has been slower than I would like, but such is life. Keep me in your prayers.
Blessings to you and your family!
My question for Julian, since I have been experiencing hearing loss with tinnitus and I know he had the same, is did he notice when he had his tinnitus with the hearing loss if there were times that the tinnitus would change sounds and/or tone down quite a bit and then roar up again for no apparent reason. (before it was totally gone) My tinnitus today is about a 3 but when I woke up it was awful- about a 9. Throughout the night last night the sounds changed from a car horn to a two-toned vibrational pattern. All of them are incredibly upsetting. Also- did he have hypercusis (sound sensitivity)?
can you comment on T being a so-called safe and predicatble place. in hindsight T was a protective mechanism,i don’t want or need this now, i feel i need more T free time to build on to gain some momentum. i must say that the T has greatly improved since reading your ebook and becoming better at settling myself, and CST sesions. being stuck reminds me of the old saying-better the devil you know than the devil you don’t!
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I was doing better, but went to a loud restaurant and it
has gotten worse. Have you guys discussed using TRT or “reactive
I’ve been going through a rough time emotionally. I am in therapy trying to
figure out my life and I have many issues. I am both depressed and very
anxious. The tinnitus is still there but less so, and I am making progress adapting to it.I have mild carpal tunnel issues and am out of a job, when I sit down and try to type, my
hand and wrist became tingly and painful.
I help my daughter and her husband and 3 grandkids financially so all of my unemployment checks go to personal bills and my family. There really is nothing extra.
I would never have made it through the initial “shock” of getting tinnitus if it weren’t
for finding your website and listening to Julian’s talks. They have been lifesavers.
Thanks for listening.
Re my tinnitus- it started after using drops for a blocked ear tho’ I suspect I had a little bit coming and going before that and I was stressed at work at the the time . Also I work with Hearing Impaired children and listen to powerful hearing aids etc. I’ve always enjoyed going to football matches and now I’m not sure if I will make the tinnitus worse. Should I wear ear plugs at games or not go?
Thank you. I mean that sincerely. I got the notification about the next show.
Have not been feeling well at all (nerves shot, tinnitus BACK in full force suddenly (and I think I know why – had a disturbing episode with my married daughter and it threw
me over the edge) so I need to hear what Julian has to say.I do have a question poss. for the show: once you have tinnitus, and it has truly subsided to a great degree (not noticeable for days) and then something
happens like an emotionally upsetting fight with a loved one, and the T flares –
will it go away again?? I feel SO defeated!I suppose there a direct cause/effect relationship between the stress and the flare up?
Where can I find a health care professional to help me figure out the best treatment?
My tinnitus started with dizziness and hearing loss in Friday May 7, 2004 at 5 o’clock morning when it woken me in sleep suddenly; At that time I did not understand what happen for me, I got up in bed but I fell on bed because I lost my balance, I was feeling nausea but it did not happen, I wanted going to bath room but I could not going I demanded my wife helping me. After I did meet the doctor in my city he did understanding me that I have this disease because in the right ear the nerve number eight was died and have not cure for it inside Iraq and in all east countries; please do not try going to any place for treatment and he did not gave me any thing from when he gave me the wrong diagnosis!!I stayed in home without any medication and treatment with my tinnitus and dizziness and hearing loss and without hopefulness until when I arrived Calgary, Canada by visitor visa for training about oil role and I saw the doctor there and he told me the nerve number eight in the right ear is not died but it have problem that is have cure by surgical operation.This is information about my disease and reports which I taken last year at July in Amman, Jordan after I left Calgary, Canada at March 8, 2008 without medication and treatment because by visitor visa I could not entry any hospital in calgary and I did not have the cost for this operation at that time.
Hi, dainismichel. I saw your channel about tinnitus is curable. So, i have both permanent and temporary tinnitus. (The permanent= Mild to Moderate tts. here it when its quiet, going to sleep, reading etc.) The temporary= High-pitched ringing sound coming 2-3 times per month (severe).Well, now i wonder if the cure is temporary, more temporary should i say, hehe – or just you ignore it? Becuase i enjoy reading book alot, but when this came , my world -everything- turned up-side-down.Becuase if people who goed through ur program and dont have tinnitus at all, after that.. than.. it must be good , right?I just want to have peace and quiet when i reading thats all. I always enjoy reading on the night when everything is quiet. Ya know, the creepy books…but, now everything is destroyed thanks by Tinnitus. I also bought a 3-step cure tinnitus program that didnt help at all.
hello dainis, thank you for your youtube. i got tinnitus a few years ago when i tried to shut off a smoke alarm that was hard-wired into a friend’s house and i didn’t know that…thought i could find a button to push and turn it off…didn’t work. now terrible ringing since. hey, i can’t afford to join a group right now. do you have info i can access that doesn’t cost anything? i would love to learn more. and i do relate to the suicide thing you mention on the tube. i decided that i’m gonna tough it out no matter what. the ringing is the first thing i hear in the morning and the last thing i hear at night. and i don’t dream anymore, or maybe it’s that the ringing makes me forget them as soon as i wake and hear the ringing. only pain is when i hear the wrong frequency, which is often. i carry earplugs everywhere i go. and i’m a musician and used to have perfect pitch. now it’s hard to know if i’m close to being in tune. i’m concerned that i’m losing my hearing, and don’t want to lose any more of it. and i live in alaska where resources are harder to find. so, if you can help me out, great. if not, i’ll keep on a lookin. thanks for your youtube. it was honestly comforting to just hear what you had to say and know that i’m not alone. i’d love to find a support group online that didn’t cost anything. my family doesn’t reallly get it when i tell them the sound is hurting my ears. they don’t understand how painful it is, and how frustrating to have to keep telling them. even the accidental clinking together of pots and pans is terrible. but you know that already, i imagine. thanks again for what you’re trying to do.
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Generally, I am wondering about doing things that, in the short term might have a negative impact on the tinnitus, but, in the long term, overall will be good for me. In particular, I am thinking about having all of my mercury dental fillings removed. I think that having all this toxic metal in my head is not a good thing! So, having them removed seems to be a good thing. However, my tinnitus is still pretty reactive right now, so I wonder if it’s the best time to have seven fillings removed — i.e. if my body will experience it as trauma and just be my nervous system all jacked-up again.
If I get a clean bill of health from my doctors and still have tinnitus, what do I do then? How do I stop obsessing that this is, indeed, a “sign” of something “wrong” with my health that will manifest at some point? How can someone get a symptom like this in the absence of any hearing loss?
What about intense exercise and tinnitus? I started Bikram yoga and like it but it’s a bit stressful too because of the heat in the room. I hear the tinnitus during the class (it’s relatively quiet) but sleep better that evening. Should I continue? Are aerobics dance classes which are more enjoyable a better bet?
What’s with this feedback loop concept? Am I listening now that I’ve “identified” the sound and can’t stop “listening” for it unconsciously in the background?
Should I do TRT?
How can I explain the sudden onset?
Causes: are they sure sinuses have nothing to do with this? What about finally going off benzos (Klonopin) after using them for 15 years??? I’ve read that can cause tinnitus. I am currently on Ativan, 1 mg. 2x/day because it helps calm down the tinnitus and helps me relax. That’s a benzo too but diff. than Klonopin.
Show format: Gathered questions, one-on-one between Dainis and Julian, live questions, exercise everyone can do together.
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Discussion of the From Tinnitus to Liberation eCourse: 7 Levels.
Accepting Your Role in Tinnitus
Putting Your Motivation to Work
Gaining Power Over Tinnitus
RAT – Recently Acquired Tinnitus Survival eCourse.
Hello Dainis – Thanks for the time on the phone this morning. It is not coincidence that I saw your earlier e-mail I received this am, right at the time I realized my tinnitus was gone. Evidently, the Universe meant for you to hear that. I was inspired to take the more holistic approach due to your website and the page I read when I got the tinnitus out of the blue in mid-May. That page is entitled, “Look after yourself properly and your tinnitus will take care of itself.” Reading this page over and over was very helpful for me for the first few days. It motivated me to take a hollistic approach, get a good diet, better approach to life, etc. Now, as I talked to my friend Maureen Higgins, who is an incredible holistic psycho-therapist in Minneapolis – see www.wingsoffreedom1.com. She said the tinnitus was, and she was clear, a sign that the Universe was giving me that I had to change something. In this sense, she said it is a good thing – helping you out – not to be afraid of, but to embrace. So, I explored a bit. I noticed that the first time my ears had an issue was May 2008, exactly one year ago, where a little tinnitus was there – but mainly a middle ear infection noticed after flying. Then again in Oct. 2008 after the flu. But I noticed both of these things had two things in common – stress, plus I was giving a lecture in my field of mathematics that I havn’t lectured on for many years after switching to another field. So, I was very nervous and it brought up issues of my being not smart as I was told from my mother when i was very young. She also felt the wrold was dangerous. That put me on a path of being very very competitive and wanting to be #1 in my field. Well, I accomplished that – see www.edbelbruno.com, but lately it has gotten very stressful to do my work in such a driven fashion. So, I decided to make a new approach to my work – adopting the approach that the world is wonderful, I am taken care of, and I should work in a more fun fashion, and be more easy. This will take work, but the realization of this was made a day ago. After I made it, the next day, the tinnitus was essentially gone. She said that this is how it works, you have to peel away the layers of deep issues you don’t necessarily see. She said a lot more, and you may want to talk to her. She definitely did wonders for me. For me, the tinnitus resolution seems to consist of dealing with: major stress, life changes as described, eg, diet. I believe Maureen Higgins offers something that may benefit you and many others.
It is a strange time in my life right now: I will be moving from DC to the NYC area — having just moved from Italy back in DC in January — am starting a new job, and am trying to work through the complexities of a trans-continental relationship — not exactly the best scenario to relax and get my system out of red-altert! But I’m doing my best!
(All wounding happens in relationship)
What happens if the onset incident of my tinnitus is surgery?
A retired police officer 70 years old, tinnitus for decades. Deafness as a result of the gunshot? Any hope for people like this? Bombs, innocent victims, combat, war, etc.
Taking responsibility for your own health, getting into optimal physical shape, these are all great things Dainis promotes as part of his advice. The critical flaw, imo, is Julian Cowan’s views do not address the issue of permanent ear damage and resulting permanent ringing. Simply getting out of fight-or-flight and relaxing the nervous system in no way mean the ringing will subside. So I don’t understand Julian’s oversight there –save for the fact he is a Cranial Sacral therapist ; ). That said, Dainis’ website is not ill intended or meant to defraud so I thought it worthwhile to call off the witch hunt re that angle
Hang in there – technology just might catch up to us – I heard they are trying to recreate the hairs on the cochlea to reverse damage – they are actually trying to do it – can you imagine?
Sometimes, you know you are heading into a situation that will almost certainly cause the tinnitus to flare up. How does one approach such situations if they are in fact unavoidable? This is especially poignant if you’ve made some progress and don’t want “to lose” that progress.
Abuse and tinnitus: cause effect.
One on one session with Dainis (a few minutes).
Exercise for everyone to practice together: Focusing. The focusing exercise brought out
more “busy in head” than in the body
how does sadness feel in the body
what’s OK right now
facing the sadness as a beautiful garden with good oxygen, which shows connection with subconscious awareness
spike in tinnitus
taking care of yourself
getting appropriate help (better to get help from other people than to go at it alone)
can always try letting go
you always have a body that gives you information
learning about fight or flight, overwhelm, shock, trauma, and learning how to dissolve those states is a very useful life skill.
I visited the tinnitus clinic at the University of Maryland; they recommend various modes of sound-therapy-based habituation programs — whether it be with a hearing aid, a noise generator, neuromonics (a fancy sound therapy that utilizes classical music and tailored sound therapy.) These therapies seem interesting but are very expensive. Are they consistent with the general approach by Julian Cowan Hill and Dr. Greuel?
Are there any negative consequences (beyond those to one’s finances!) in pursuing such therapies? How does one break out of the “checking” phase? The internal scenario I’m thinking of is somthing like this: “I’ve been trying to implement relaxation, refocus, and body-based therapies for a month or so and my tinnitus hasn’t really backed off much…” Then mild panic can begin to creep in: “Maybe this isn’t going to work… blah blah blah.” Which, of course, refocuses attention to the tinnitus and becomes something off a self-fulfilling prophecy. How does one just let go!?
My situation is bit more complicated because I have pulsatile tinnitus. Some say that this more frequently has some sort of “structural” component. My CAT scan did show that some little bone separating an artery from my ear was a good bit thinner on the side where I have pulsatile tinnitus. Thus, the ENT said if nothing else worked they could try to artifically thicken that bone. Scary stuff! Yet, I’m sure the bone was that way well before I had pulsatile tinnitus. And there have been brief periods where it has receded — I’m sure this is not due to the bone magically thickening. So the question: can the methods espoused up to this point on the Tinnitus Show work for pulsatile tinnitus where there might be a physiological component? (I should add that the ENT did not think that the bone thickness was likely the root cause.)
Hello, Thank you for your response, however I am as aware as you are that there is no cure and probably will not be a cure in the forseable future. I’ve been to Dr Shulman and j. Bataglino. I realize now that paying attention to T is the wrong direction. Waiting and hoping and looking for a cure is putting your life on hold. Ignore it and live as if it was not there. That is the way to go. I think I realize that this is the opposite of what you are all about. I tried vitamins, drugs, biofeedback, sometimes I think about suicide as the only real cure, Please help me.
What are some daily practical things that can be done to take one out of fight or flight, something that each day one can do to focus oneself. (Discussion of “running commentary” technique).
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I kicked this show off with possibly the most antagonistic question I’ve ever posed Julian. The credibility of this site, his credibility, and our entire effort at CureTinnitus.org is put to the test. After a jolting start, this show wound up being quite soothing. I hope that I represented the “anger” in and with tinnitus well, and that this show serves our community long long long into the future.
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Dainis: Welcome everyone and welcome to the 5th episode of the Cure Tinnitus show. My name is Dainis Michel. I’m your host and we have Julian Cowan Hill as our guest expert. Julian had tinnitus for 20 yrs and he healed himself. He is a craniosacral therapist and he works with core process psychology and Buddhist psychology and has over 3000 hours of work with clients and he has dedicated himself to helping us get better with tinnitus so Julian thank you very much for joining us and for being here and helping us. I’ll tell you about how the structure of the show is. I’ll start with a few announcements and then we’re going to cover questions that I gathered during the week and then we’re going to do a one on one session between me and Julian about my personal tinnitus and after that all of will be able to do an exercise together.
As questions come up in your mind just chat them over and we’ll have time to focus on your questions towards the end of the show. One of the announcements that I’ve got is really interesting. Its kind of the theme for this show: and the theme for this show is what relieves and what aggravates tinnitus. We have a post on that in the curetinnitus.org community on what aggravates and what relieves tinnitus. So let’s just keep that in the backs of our minds as we go through the show. One of the announcements was about an article that’s available to the community “what are tinnitus people like?” and that’s actually from Tinnitus: From Tyrant to Friend” that Julian wrote.
A member wrote: “That list is somewhat frightening especially when I can identify with at least 80% of it. But with the help of this site I am leaning to deal with such things and my tinnitus is becoming less and less noticeable.” Isn’t that neat? And I wanted to say thank you so much for sharing what’s working for you, thank you. Another announcement is that I discontinued the free membership preview in the format that it was in before. We will have some free “getting to know you” content for e-mail subscribers so you can keep that in mind if and when you recommend “curetinnitus.org to people. These curetinnitus shows are going to become more private in the future. I’m not sure about the details of that but we’ve got a lot of efforts going outward and it’s going to become important for curetinnitus.org as an electronic and online community to develop reciprocity and fair exchange and just not broadcast out but in the sense of community to make them a little more private because right now we’re just available to everyone. I interviewed Paul Tobey who is a pianist Wednesday of last week and I want to let everybody know that after the interview I was editing it and my wife looked over my shoulder and she heard a little bit of it and she wanted to watch the whole thing so we wound up watching the whole thing before going to bed. So there’s an interview with Paul Tobey. He’s created a product called “tinnitus-free living” and you can check that out on the member area. Somebody sent us a comment saying “I’d like to see a deep relaxation package/product with soothing music, guided meditations, a self-help questionnaire and resource material.” Thank you very much for helping let us know how we can serve you better. That’s a big part of the curetinnitus.org community. For you to let us know what we can do for you. We do have some meditations and there are some exercises in Julian’s book, Tinnitus: From Tyrant to Friend” and we’re working on putting together some meditations with music. We’re still looking at how we can do that best. Again, I do have a satisfaction survey where I’m going to be calling members for a 15 min survey on your experiences at curetinnitus.org and that’s going to start on Monday May 11. I’ll have a post in the community about that and I’ll be able to make direct contact with members who choose to participate and I can ask them how they like it and what we can do better.
Just so you know, Julian and I have been working on a “recently acquired tinnitus” product and it’s been really fun and it’s been really engaging so we’re putting that together and it’s turning out to be really fun.
On to questions gathered. I’ve got a steamy one. This is SO nasty.
Are you ready?
“I find your claims, Mr. Michel, to cure tinnitus to be a bit arrogant when experts like the doctors at OHSU (and I mean no disrespect to doctors I’m just emphasizing the word doctors) admit they don’t have the answers. Just what are your credentials to be appearing as a self-proclaimed expert and guru here. I see no medical referencing credentials regarding yourself. The writing I see here causes me to put you in the same boat as Dr. Phil and that is sad that you choose to self-create such a phony persona. The latest dribble you e-mailed just proves that to me. Too bad that many many real people are seeking relief but I won’t follow a self-proclaimed guru with no reality check.”
Now Julian, I don’t know if you want to respond to that. I have a bit of a response. Maybe I can do that first which is “who is this person talking to? Is this person talking to you? Or is this person talking to me? Is this person talking to Kevin Hogan or Dr. Mike Matthews from sharedcare.com who is a retired family practitioner but he then joined our community and made a few posts. Are you talking to Paul Tobey? Maybe, Julian, you can do a better job of responding.
Julian: Well, this person sounds very angry and I don’t think this program is about gurus at all. A guru is when you (more…)